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shyam
23 Jan 2010
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 14:34

Its part of New zealand culture. I would ask Paul Sheehan to come here to NZ and then open his mouth about the Haka.

But i do like the captian James cook quote

"There was not a man aboard Endeavour who, in the event of the ship's breaking up, would not have preferred to drown rather than be left to the mercy of the Maoris."

That shows the Strength and Spirit of the New Zealand People.

Its Human nature to destroy anything they afraid of..........I guess Paul Sheehan must tremble everytime the haka is performed...........

Leave the Haka alone............play the game............

Pahia
08 Oct 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 14:49

Paul Sheehan should focus more on the attrocities that Aboriginal peoples have had to suffer at the hands of the Australians. Saying sorry is the easy bit. There is absolutely no place in society for the continued and blatant racism experienced by Aboriginal people today in Australia. Focus on your own sad history and educating Australians on their own past so you may move forward together as a country rather than professing to be an expert on a subject and a people that you know nothing about.

Nga Tokorangi
06 Feb 2011
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 15:21

I believe there are 2 key issues; 1.) Should the 'slitting movement' in the "Pango" Haka be removed...Definitely not! The execution of that movement is a very common one in Haka's historically, and also, we have to respect the creator of the Haka. As that is only a small part, it is also an important expression of the whole thing...

2.) Next time, I'd like the Australian Rugby Team to attempt to intimidate us with a Dance to the tune of "Waltzing Matilda" - and the moves orchestrated by Paul Sheehan...Let's see what he comes up with... He's obviously hot on New Zealand History...We can't help it if they can't make it! (History and Rugby - I'm talking about)

Daniellle
08 Oct 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 15:30

i mean, whats wronge with potatoes? raw potatoes obviously airnt great but mashed potatoe with cheese? Is there anything more injoyable? and roasted potatoe with a bit of butter, turns me on im going to have to say =)

Bob
05 Oct 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 16:00

who is the jerk off who wrote that #$%$

Dana W Stevens
24 May 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 16:11

She oviously strayed into the wrong Forum ... Funny though -

Ange
02 Nov 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 16:21

Paul Sheenan is just purely IGNORANT!!!

splat
14 Mar 2010
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 16:41

Come on guys let's look at it from purely an ignorant stand point.It is pretty gruesome .I can understand an Aussie feeling this way about the Haka .We have grown up with it , we may have some knowledge and been given some background information to support our experiences .As far as they are concerned it says I want to cut your throat .Maybe when they do the Haka there could be an explanation on the screen to inform people.
I know that the aboriginals have been treated very poorly but it really has no significance to this argument unless Sheehan was speaking from an informed perspective and was being openly anti maori which he is not expressing.

I dunno maybe we need to be a bit more open to sharing why and when we do Haka and inform other cultures .Why should we create enemies purely because of ignorance or do you think Sheehan should just google haka ,learn and shut up.

I love the haka but I grew up with it .

pat
08 Oct 2008
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 17:25

good for us aussies just killed the abous and took it all, im sure thay cut a few abou throuts , and laughed about it, gut less aussies

cilla
08 Oct 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 17:28

....we all grew up with the haka,the stupid tosser is running our traditions down and all cause we won and wil again beating france,its as simple as that....pure jealous is all sheehan is....

David
08 Oct 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 17:29

they lost hes sore and his willy shrunk how sad never mind

Darryin
23 Dec 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 17:29

Splat has a fair point where they do not have the knowledge that we do. But in saying that, is not true they have another race alike the Maoris (the aboriginals) that they do not support. It was only a while ago they have said sorry for their mistreatment but still nothing has been done to unite the people. I personally feel sorry for him being scared of who we are. He obviously feels the auzzie team had a threat on them with the motions we displayed. Well he should learn to embrace the culture because guess what us kiwis are here now and beating your sorry arses!!

(GO THE MAORI - im half in half been brought up with both sides and love it :D)

btw im 14 and i can understand this better than this pro reporter he should go back to school and study.

Billie W
09 Oct 2008
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 18:24

As a #$%$ living abroad, I see the Haka and tears fill my eyes and my belly clenches and I feel enormously proud!
I know diplomatically the throat slit was probably not prudent and I personally prefer the old Kamete Haka but I say go for it and if the opposition don't like it then tough "cheese"

Deodato
24 Sep 2011
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 19:12

Ok for the Haka but why are their opponents now forced to stay 15 meters away ? Are the ABs affraid of teams just standing there watching ?

Leanne
08 Oct 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 19:30

For a nation that has its sport spread so widely and no longer cares about the world cup, you seem like a sad little man Paul Sheenan. NZ does not have the same money or scope with our sport but everything that we do is with passion, which cannot be brought.
As for the haka, as Tangata Whenua, (which is kiwi of any nationality althought I am of Maori descent) your ignorance is offensive. You then dare to quote from Captain Cook's view.
Why do you think Maori do the haka and make a stand? To show anyone considering to come in and take over from the savages (another term captain Cook and others called us) that if you come at us we will come straight back. It was this very attitude that kept Maori with some identity as the Colonialists arrived.
Unlike the Australia's indigenous (Aborigines) who were completely disregarded, disrespected and treated in appauling ways. No matter NZs history we at least as a country recognise both our cultures, Maori and European, in anthem, custom and yes our haka.
What do you as Australians do to show respect to the Aborigines and how are they represented with Australia Fair??
Shame on you Mr Sheenan!

Ange
02 Nov 2009
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Posted Thu 20 Oct 2011 19:49

Well said Leanne! Sums it all up perfectly :)

tbi...

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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 05:32

The Haka is a dance for those of the simplest intelligence and is not far removed from the neanderthal mentality of those who have been left behind in the evolutionary process.

Sam

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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 05:43

The haka is not a dance - therefore the rest of your statement is irrelevant. BTW do you get your white pointy hat drycleaned?

Sailcity
10 Feb 2010
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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 06:30

The Haka I think is being overdone - and poking tongues out is never a pretty site . What happened to the finish of the Haka done by the older Allblacks where they all leapt in the air a real cheery finish to an established and liked performance

George
1 second ago
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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 06:31

The HAKA is a dance,and as TBIG says it is for the simple minded
Only those with a vacant space between the ears would insult their heritage by performing such a DANCE.

Dana W Stevens
24 May 2009
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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 07:31

'real cheery finish' ... This is a haka, a HAKA, not Swan Lake, or an Irish Jig - You want cheery finishes, don't ever watch a haka.

'performing such a DANCE' ... See above, fool -

These fools - with tbigfru and sailcity adding themselves to the Stupid List - can afford internet access, but can't add anything of value to any debate.

Sam

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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 08:01

George, I didn't realise you were a kaumatua and an expert in these matters. Can you please advise what iwi you are affliated with so I can send them a reference to such a definitive explanation.

splat
14 Mar 2010
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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 10:47

George you should be thankful that the haka is no longer performed just before having some nice hangi'd euro's like yourself instead we now play a spot of rugger.Your ancestors did taste nice though but today you fullas eat too many processed foods and taste like day old oysters yuk.

Kiwi100
08 Oct 2009
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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 12:19

I love the Haka!

FranckC
09 Oct 2008
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Posted Fri 21 Oct 2011 18:25

om'on, there's nothing wrong with the haka, it's quaint and for foreign teams it's a treat, something they like to witness.
After all, "La Marseillaise" (French anthem) also mentions "throat slitting" and "splilling our ennemies' blood to quench our fields", no-one ever got offended, it's just a song, likewise haka is just a dance, a bit like a morris dance with the tongues out!
No fuss over that!